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  • In case you haven't heard, the Internet Archive is being sued (for being too generous with book lending during the pandemic). If they lose the suit, the entire organization could go under. That'd include the Wayback Machine.

    While a total shutdown is worst-case-scenario, it's motivated me to start better archiving old websites myself.

    Do with these as thou wilt. (If someone ads these to articles, don't forget to link back to the article for The Bumps ⁠— as seen here.)

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    • Sorry for butting in, but about that archive thing:

      Does this include OpenLibrary? 

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    • For now, IA (including Open Library) stays in operation. If IA goes down, I imagine OL goes down.

      Unrelated disclaimer: The image of the gnome might be a recreation of the original artwork. Also, I don't know if the image of a skeleton is actually Curly or the context for which it was made.

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    • > Gnome recreation theory

      Plausible. But I doubt someone would put in all that effort to create that. I mean, the Lawn Gnome does look Jacobus-y enough, and it still retains its character, so...

      Unless you mean a recreation by Jacobus.

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    • >Unless you mean a recreation by Jacobus.

      That.

      The background looks obviously different than the book, but incredibly like something Jacobus would do. Maybe this was something included in his autobiography that I forgot about.

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    • [I'm pretty sure he didn't include that in his autobiography. I read it a few months ago and don't remember seeing this]

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    • In regards to wording, I really don't care. No real need for universality in this specific instance, especially to prevent one word from being used repeatedly in one paragraph.

      In regards to the mystery page, it's been deleted now. I can't believe we didn't notice that in all the years we've been here.

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    • > I really don't care.

      Oof. Oof!

      > I can't believe we didn't notice that in all the years we've been here.

      Same. I don't even know how I can across that. I guess I finally discovered my purpose in this wiki.

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    • I think one of you should take a look at the 2 templates listed here:

      https://goosebumps.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Search?query=ParentPage

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    • Aw man, I had a feeling something bad would happen to the Internet Archive someday. :( I really hope they can get the lawsuit sorted out and the Wayback Machine will continue to stay.

      But yo those pics... Very cool! Never seen them before. I'm really intrigued by that Curly on the mountain artwork (the skeleton has the exact same face as Curly, so I assume it's him).

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    • > The skeleton has the exact same face as Curly, so I assume it's him

      Valid point, but don't be fooled. I think I saw a couple of non-Goosebumps artworks by Jacobus that had a very similar face to Curly's before.

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    • >I saw a couple of non-Goosebumps artworks by Jacobus that had a very similar face to Curly's before.

      Agreed. It could be Curly, but maybe that's just how Jacobus likes drawing skeletons

      >Hey, Bartman! What was the working title for Ship of Ghouls?

      Funny you should ask that, as I stumbled across an old archive saying the book went under the working title Deadly Cruise.

      https://web.archive.org/web/19990819063525/http://members.kconline.com:80/gbdave/books/index.htm

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    • Whoa, cool! What the heck is this website though, and how reliable is it? I doubt they would make up the name, but I just want to make sure.

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    • I think it was called "Dave's Goosebumps Page".

      Catchy, I know.

      It's alluded to numerous times on The Bumps. Stelter mentions it a ton, and I think there was some beef between the sites. Based on what I've read (from Stelter, who admittedly would've been biased), Dave's site was less popular and got a couple things wrong. And he committed the greatest sin of all: reposting.

      I'm inclined to believe that "Deadly Cruise" was real. On Dave's page, the most recent books were bolded. Technically SoG was released by the time the page was archived, but the bolded text suggests the book hadn't been released when Dave last updated that page. The page also features the working title "Earth Geeks Must Die". My guess is that Dave was provided with the title "Deadly Cruise" several months ahead of time shortly before he lost interest in truly upkeeping the site.

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    • This just in: I found another website mentioning "Deadly Cruise". This is some vintage internet.

      My line of thinking is: If they were making stuff up, why would the title so accurately describe the book? If they didn't

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    • https://web.archive.org/web/19990505212102/http://www.pazsaz.com:80/gbgive.html

      >#36 Deadly Cruise
      >#37 They're After You
      >#38 Twister

      Woah.

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    • I said this once and I'll say it again: you're an amazing dumpster diver.

      Bart the dumpster diver

      For real tho, thanks for finding all this... Korie's Animorphs is amazing, lmao.

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    • I've got nothing to do with this, but I'm getting notifications so I have a question:

      What are you trying to say? You edited this message 3 times now. The first time I saw it, it said Angel Fire or something, then I got another notification and it said Rumorz and Newz. Then I got yet another notification and now it says Korie's Animorphs. Sorry if this sounds nosy, but I'm really curious at this point, LOL.

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    • PFFFT, because at first I thought the site's name was "angelfire.com", but that's actually the host's is name, so I changed it to "Rumorz and Newz" because that's what it says on the webpage, but then I decided to change it to the site's actual name.

      I had a feeling someone would notice all those edits I made.

      I was right.

      👁️

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    • I asked Tim about that Curly(?) art and within minutes I got a response.

      His memory about it is vague and he's not sure why he didn't sign it, but he says the skeleton's face is indeed that of Curly. So I guess you could say it is Curly after all. However, he says it was not a Goosebumps-related project and that he only did it for fun, most likely as a color study painting. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the full art anymore and thinks he probably gave it away to someone as a gift. Bummer.

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    • That's very interesting! Always great to hear from Tim.

      Speaking of cool people: apparently, one of my favorite YouTubers collects Goosebumps. I imagine she's probably visited our wiki before, which I'm proud of in the geekiest way imaginable.

      Also, can we talk about Stine's response to the tweet?

      >That was a very sick story, maybe my sickest.

      ???

      I refuse to believe that man even remembers that book.

      I'd almost be surprised if he even knew it existed to begin with.

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    • That's cool! Though, I'm actually pretty embarrassed people visit the wiki, because our articles are a mess. Maybe I should do something about it. 😕

      Also I don't doubt Stine wrote a lot of the GYG books. Trick or Trapped was probably one of them. Ask him about it on Twitter, lol.

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    • He had to have written at least the first couple. I've read some of his Twist a Plot books and the humor is pretty similar. But it's pretty clear a good chunk were ghostwritten, and we even know one of them. And also Kathryn lance's website claimed she wrote 7 which is likely true based on the Why I Hate Jack Frost why. Wish I found that beforehand so I could have asked her about it.

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    • >And also Kathryn lance's website claimed she wrote 7

      As I was informed long ago, Mrs. Lance technically isn't supposed to talk about those books.

      >He had to have written at least the first couple.

      I think it's entirely possible he wrote 1 or fewer. The books are generally pretty playful, but there's very little stylistic consistency, more so than any other series.

      >Also I don't doubt Stine wrote a lot of the GYG books. Trick or Trapped was probably one of them. Ask him about it on Twitter, lol.

      That's a lose-lose situation. He'll probably just think I'm antagonizing him. Then, if he lies or ignores me, it'd probably hurt my opinion of him.

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    • I'd love it if someone good at linguistic forensics could compare Stine's earlier gamebooks to the GYG stuff and see which ones actually match his writing style.

      Edit: It's not called linguistic forensics. "Stylometry" is what I was thinking of.

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    • Also, I'm dumb for not searching The Bumps before posting the Curly image. From "op23.htm":

      >I agree in the fact the most interesting approach will be the combination of both. This image of Curly the Jester (below) is just that. Curly is painted on a separate board, and scanned in. The backround is painted digitally with some traditional and generated techniques. This simple approach has infinate possibilities. - Tim Jacobus
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    • I imagine for contract reasons he has to lie about any possible ghostwritting. If we asked about Fun with Spelling or Jack Frost, it would likely end very badly lol.  Speaking of Lance, here's an epic qoute from her that I can't beleive I forgot to leave out before:

      " OMG, a Wiki on Goosebumps! Now I've seen everything! "

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    • > Though, I'm actually pretty embarrassed people visit the wiki, because our articles are a mess. Maybe I should do something about it. 😕

      What mess? At least we have content here. I think I've read that we're not allowed to compare wikis, so I won't list any BY NAME. Anyway, I've seen other wikis based on Stine's work, and THEY are all a mess. What's wrong with this Wiki? I've been to countless Wikis on Fandom, and this was the only one that actually motivated me to edit.

      The articles are very well-presented, organized and most of them are well-written. My only issues are certain parts of the homepage, which we'll be fixing soon, so I don't see why you should be embarrassed about this Wiki's articles.


      (Have you seen *** ******** **** Wiki? I'd call that a mess.

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    • The only pages I'd call a mess are the actor pages, which I think are unnecessary BTW. I think I'll be working on the character pages soon. Gotta make sure every character has a history/background section. Maybe even some trivia.

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    • You all probably read this, but I've never I've this before:

      As is befitting of any proper Goosebumps book, there’s plenty of mystery surrounding R.L. Stine and the ghostwriters that might or might not exist. Stine denies using ghosts for any of the 160 Goosebumps books that were published. That said, Scholastic claims that Stine quietly employed freelancers to write the bulk of the series, when Goosebumps really started to take off and the job became too much for one man.

      Whatever the truth might be, it is an undeniable fact that by 1993, two Goosebumps books were being published — per month. That’s a rate so good that you might even say that it’s… eerie.

      The Stephen King of children’s lit R. L. Stine watched his spooky Goosebumps series take off like gangbusters. It’s said that the author eventually oversaw a team of ghostwriters (how appropriate) who could churn out the popular chillers faster. He quite possibly did this with creepy, glowing dollar signs in his eyes.


      > creepy, glowing dollar signs in his eyes. Where did I read this before? LOL.

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    • Let's not forget the Fear Street book that was not only confirmed to be ghost written, but straight up has a charecter who basically has a ghostwriter.

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    • LOL. I'm afraid if anyone tries to ask him about his ghostwriters, we'll get to see the darker side of Stine. You know, the one with creepy, glowing dollar signs in his eyes.
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    • Speaking of alternate titles, while browsing The Bumps to find something else, I found another list of then ucciming series 2000 titles and alongside some that stayed were the titles "The King of Horror" and "Escape from the Armpitt Planet", which I assume were Scream school and Earth Geeks. Man that lattter book went through a lot of titles.

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    • I'd prefer "Armpitt Holes".

      But seriously, I'm impressed by the amount of info you're digging out.

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    • https://web.archive.org/web/19980504161026/http://thebumps.com:80/recent1n.htm

      >GYGB#28: Evil Cats of Cat Cay
      >GYGB#29: Multiplex Nightmare!
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    • Butting in, but

      >   (Have you seen *** ******** **** Wiki? I'd call that a mess.)

      By any chance are you referring to "The Nightmare Room Wiki"? Yeesh, that was a project I started years ago and absolutely left to die. Thanks for (perhaps inadvertently) reminding me, I should probably delete it.

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    • Lol, no. I was referring to the Wiki featuring the rejected Sesame Street Muppet that escaped from hell.

      You're welcome anyway.

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    • Speaking of Stine wikis, there really should be a good Fear Street wiki that has the same quality as our wiki. Would probably be too much work but I'd totally be down for writting summaries and charecter pages for that idea.

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    • Goddy should be in charge of formatting there

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    • I think all wikis need a big bang and a primordial soup phase. Put more simply, a strong initiating incident ⁠— leading to a ton of people contributing a ton of stuff. Once there's stuff, the wiki can be refined. After that point, you'll probably have some legitimacy and a userbase.

      Fear Street has just never had that KABOOM that fans have long since desired. I think a few users have tried creating wikis, but most of them are mostly empty and completely abandoned, scaring away new users.

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    • Explains everything🤯🤯🤯.

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    • Let's just hope that the (hidden) Fear Street movies have some sort of impact on fans.

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    • Hey I know I'm way too late (and I probably shouldn't be reviving this thread since I wasn't even part of it) but

      >The image of the gnome might be a recreation of the original artwork.

      Isn't it the other way around though?? I remember reading somewhere that originally the gnome was picking his nose but Scholastic made Jacobus change that because... well, you know... kids. Maybe I'm just being dumb but this was my initial thought.

      ETA: apparently that info is on the wiki article for RotLG lol sorry

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    • Originally, Jacobus painted a gnome picking his nose. He was forced to change this, presumably painting over the original artwork. The image above could have been a recreation of what it originally looked like.

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    • Ooh, gotcha. Thanks for clearing it up

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    • >Armpit

      Hm, I wonder if they changed it because it sounded too childish and they wanted the new books to please slightly older readers? Well, to be fair though, they did publish a book about Slappy having a nightmare so I really don't know what to think here.

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    • I bet they changed that because it was too disgusting. I mean, just imagine the cover. A bunch of topless townsfolk baring their armpits at the reader. Shudders. 

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    • Plus the armpitt thing isn't too important and the title makes it seem like they are like literally people who are just armpitts lol

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    • More like "arm holes".

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    • Hmmm yeah okay that's a fair point. I'd love to see what the heck would Jacobus do if Stine just gave him that title with no context or explanation.

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    • He'll probably paint a bunch of armpits with legs and scar humanity for life.

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    • I finally broke down and decided to figure out what that news clipping was from (the image seen in my post up top). It's from The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. I believe the piece was sponsored by AOL and written by Kelly Milner Halls.

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    • You've been promoted from dumpster diver to garbageman.

      But for real, nice work as always!

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    • SANITATION EXPERT
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    • Speaking of sanitizing, good job cleaning up articles.

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    • Thanks, that means a lot to me coming from the sanitation expert.

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    • About cleaning articles...

      You've replaced the 2003-2007 taglines of the books you've edited with "Something fishy...again!", which is Deep Trouble 2's tagline. Fixed that and stole your Lucky Dummy Badge for the 3rd time in a row, LOL. Just make sure to use the right tagline.

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    • >You've replaced the 2003-2007 taglines of the books you've edited with "Something fishy...again!", which is Deep Trouble 2's tagline.

      Every time I publish a big article clean up there's something in the back of my head telling me I messed something up... I guess it was that. My bad. Thanks for correcting it.

      >Fixed that and stole your Lucky Dummy Badge for the 3rd time in a row, LOL.

      UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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    • Every time I publish a big article clean up there's something in the back of my head telling me I messed something up... I guess it was that. My bad. Thanks for correcting it.

      Oh, there were other mistakes, too. StacyFan fixed them. 



      > UGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

      K. I'll make you a badge.

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    • a BaDgE fOr GoDdY

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    • God bless.

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    • Is that all I am to you? *sniff* A cheap box of children's comestibles? Merely a marketing ploy by corn syrup manufacturers?

      Go back to selling robot tacos.

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    • GoosebumpsArt wrote:
      https://imgur.com/uJpTel7.jpg

      About the avatars...

      Have you noticed something...?

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    • I've noticed. It's kinda weird because I consider my avatars... Me. In a very, very, very abstract way. I don't mind you using the style, but tracing the face and pose is a bit uncanny.

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    • >I've noticed. It's kinda weird because I consider my avatars... Me.

      So... no face reveal?


      (I'm just kidding)

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