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  • >It's been a while since I read this book, so someone check behind me, but trying to be more specific than "one of the main characters.

    I don't know if "secondary protagonist" is really a title. Which is why I never liked using it on articles. We could technically say "deuteragonist", but I feel like using obscure words is unfair to the readers. That's why I simply say "main character" when referring to characters like Alex.

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    • Ah, gotcha. "One of the main characters" definitely works for characters like Alex in that case. So for a standard book you'll basically have a protagonist, other main characters, and supporting characters on the "good" side and "antagonists on the "bad" side?

      I was surfing through the character pages, and the roles were all over the place. We had protagonists, main protagonists, main heroes, secondary protagonists, supporting characters, and "one of the main characters." 

      Mark from The Scarecrow Walks At Midnight is categorized both as a Protagonist and as a Supporting Character. I think these characters who are second in importance or activity after the protagonist are causing a lot of confusion.

      If you don't use deuteragonist or secondary protagonist, there is just one protagonist per book. Even though characters like Mark, Fergie, and Lefty are important to the books, I think they are all supporting characters if there is no middle role, since they are not the one protagonist. Books that have two protagonists are generally romances, where both main characters are equally important.

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    • In order to standardize things, we should try to limit it to

      • The protagonist
      • The antagonist
      • An antagonist
      • A main character
      • A character

      Of course, there will be exceptions, but will cross that road later.


      >categorized both as a Protagonist and as a Supporting Character

      I was always uncertain about the Supporting Character category. It seems more subjective than "Protagonist".

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    • >Weird bit of trivia, but let's at least make it correct. "Billy Deep is the second most recurring protagonist after Carly Beth Caldwell to appear in the books." ??? Did we forget my boy, Evan?!

      Uh, you're forgetting about the HorrorLand series. Billy Deep was in, like, 10 books. That blows ol' Evan out of the water.

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    • Oh, I've never read HorrorLand. I just now noticed and was looking at the Appearances section and was about to post on your wall about this. The Billy page only covers the Deep Trouble books and lists him as the protagonist of just three books. That's where I was looking. Maybe we should tag his page as "Pages needing attention" and try to push for some information on him from the other books he appears. 

      > In order to standardize things, we should try to limit it to
      • The protagonist
      • The antagonist
      • An antagonist
      • A main character
      • A character

      I like this a lot. I also think the Supporting Character category is subjective. I'm in favor of moving characters like Mark out of the protagonists category and getting rid of the Supporting Character category altogether because it does confuse people. "Supporting Character" can have two meanings, really: 1) "minor characters" and 2) any character other than the protagonist or antagonist(s). Did someone make a special case for having that category?

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    • >The Billy page only covers the Deep Trouble books and lists him as the protagonist of just three books.

      He's only the protagonist of three books total, but he appears in about 7 other books. Not much character development in those seven appearances, so I dunno'...

      >I like this a lot. I also think the Supporting Character category is subjective

      I could be mistaken, but were you the one to suggest that category?

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    • >I could be mistaken, but were you the one to suggest that category?

      Nope. I looked back on your wall to see if I had said anything that made you think that (wasn't hard because I've only been here since last December), and found a categories rant I made (if you look on your wall, go 7 pages back). It seems like "Supporting Character" used to be called "Secondary Protagonist." I don't remember those details now. I've even been writing "secondary protagonist" on some of my pages, lol. Shows how bad my memory is. Anyway, back then, I said:

      Previously, "secondary protagonists" was a category for the "next most important" character after the protagonist. Fergie, Mark, Elliot, Andy. I didn't like the name, but used it because that's what the community had been using. I agree with the name change to "supporting characters," but I wish it had a restriction set like, only "next most important" characters or something. The problem is every character that is not the protagonist is a "supporting character." Why have a category at all?

      You replied and said:

      Maybe we should implement a "Minor characters" category. Then we could add a description to that category that says a character is either secondary or minor (or neither).

      So nope, wasn't me. I've always said if there's no distinction between secondary and everyone else, we don't need the category at all (cause anyone who is not a protagonist or antagonist now falls in it). But! Did discussion move past this point for "Minor characters?" If readers/editors want a distinction between characters like Mark and Fergie and minor characters like Mom and Dad Alicia from Camp Jellyjam, that might be a good way to do it.

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    • So, if we've both always agreed on this, why didn't I fix this?

      ...Oh, wait. I'm veeery lazy.

      I'm putting myself on time-out as punishment.

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    • Haha, no worries. I disappeared for a couple months right after that because of school. I think I saw a badge on your profile saying you've edited everyday for a year? You're allowed laziness. :)

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