Board Thread:Suggestions/@comment-34202220-20180805022658/@comment-34202220-20180806211523

> The categories "Pages needing attention" and "Candidates for deletion" are essentially backlogs. They help us deal with weak articles that already exist. "Pages needing attention" is a lengthy category, but it isn't growing.

I don't think a page with grammar issues is necessarily weak, and I, myself, haven't been keen on tagging pages with grammar issues as "Pages needing attention," because it seems like the pages in that category are as you said, weak. They usually have several issues. Even the description makes it seem like the category should be reserved for really bad pages:

"These are the pages that are in need of help (i.e. because they needs photos, because they are stubs, or because they are poorly worded). If you see any pages that need serious maintenance, put them here."

> Sadly, the quickest path to fixing all the bad articles is by editing, not categorizing. We have a lot of categories, but not a lot of editors.

Needing photos, being stubs, poor wording, content issues, formatting issues, and grammar issues are an awful lot for one category. I get that what I'm proposing is an additional category, but it'd be concentrated and useful.

>but is there really that many pages with bad grammar...?

​​​​​​Yes, actually. I notice more and more every day, which is why I brought this up. I've been correcting ones I come across as I make my way through the series and work on articles, but like Murder wrote above, I bet there are users who notice grammar issues and aren't sure how to correct them, so they might ignore them.

GbA brought up the prospect of a user possibly creating a terrible page with broken English and immediately throwing it in this category, and I understand why we wouldn't want the category used that way, but we have rules in place, to prevent that, and perhaps users can be reminded of the applicable rules surrounding grammar on the category page. ("Users who show consistently poor grammar, formatting, or discretion on articles may be banned. Remember: if you make bad edits, you're causing more work for other users.") I think pages that have made it past you guys and have grammar issues are not the types of pages GbA is thinking about or those users would be banned according to the guidelines. The pages I've found with grammar issues are often strong pages with good formatting, good images, and strong supported content. That doesn't mean those pages would not be stronger after having someone go through it and correct the grammar issues. The grammar issues do not take away from the enjoyment of the content for most users, and I think that's the difference between pages that would end up in this category rather than "Pages needing attention." The "Pages needing attention" category could be reserved primarily for pages with "major" issues, like the ones mentioned in its description that do take away from the enjoyment or usefulness of the page. The pages that end up in a grammar category would have issues that don't necessarily need to be corrected immediately (meaning someone wouldn't have to scramble to edit it to make it a good page like GbA mentioned above). It just would organize the pages that do have grammar issues so if someone like me has time, he or she could make a positive impact on the Wiki correcting an issue someone else already noticed rather than looking for something to edit to help out. I hope that makes sense.

​​​​​​​You guys are hard to sell ;), but I really believe this is a good idea that would be beneficial to a lot of people, and to the Wiki.